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Date: Sat, 17 Sep 94 20:30:23 PDT
From: Info-Hams Mailing List and Newsgroup <info-hams@ucsd.edu>
Errors-To: Info-Hams-Errors@UCSD.Edu
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Subject: Info-Hams Digest V94 #1034
To: Info-Hams
Info-Hams Digest Sat, 17 Sep 94 Volume 94 : Issue 1034
Today's Topics:
A Repeater on 147.555?!?
FT4700 - cross repeater?
IF YOU ARE WAITING YOUR LICENSE PLEASE READ!
Need help for a fello ham
Newbie Looking For Handheld/Base
New FCC 1-800 tel #
Newsline
NEWSLINE VIA INTERNET
PRB-1 IGNORED!!!
Radio History
Raleigh, NC Hams (?)
SAREX Keps 9/17 at 21:30 UTC
SAREX Packet Now Active
Tech call vs. Tech+ call.
TH-79A: Thanks!
W&W Mastercharger I
WTD: 1.2 GHz Repeater
Send Replies or notes for publication to: <Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu>
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Problems you can't solve otherwise to brian@ucsd.edu.
Archives of past issues of the Info-Hams Digest are available
(by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/info-hams".
We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text
herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official
policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there.
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Date: 13 Sep 1994 16:10:56 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.ust.hk!hk.super.net!psinntp!psinntp!spunky.RedBrick.COM!wetware!kaiwan.com!news.claremont.edu!nntp-server.caltech.edu!news.cerf.net!@@ihnp4.ucsd.edu
Subject: A Repeater on 147.555?!?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In article JzC@cscsun.rmc.edu, dtiller@cscsun.rmc.edu (David Tiller) writes:
>William J Turner (wjturner@iastate.edu) wrote:
>: In article <CvoFpF.GL5@news.Hawaii.Edu>, jeffrey@kahuna.tmc.edu (Jeffrey Herman) writes:
>: |> 600,000 hams each with their own repeater would use 1.2 million
>: |> frequency channels, not counting the frequencies needed for control.
>: |> They would be using three times the needed spectrum and certainly more
>: |> power than needed to carry out their desired QSO.
You're assuming that all 600,000 repeaters would be in use at the same time.
If all the existing hams tried to use simplex channels simultaneously, you would
have problems, too. We share frequencies all the time. I see nothing wrong with
every ham putting up his own repeater. Just ensure that it only gets activated
when an operator intends to activate it (via CTCSS tones or somesuch.) Then it
would be up to the *users* of the repeaters to cooperate to avoid interference.
>: OK, but does this mean that a ham who wants to put up a repeater does
>: not have the right to do so? Most hams won't because of the expense
>: involved, and many also don't care about repeaters, but I don't see why
>: they don't have the *right* to do so. It might not be practical,
>: or even feasible, but I don't think this means they don't have the
>: *right*.
>: Having the right and exercising it are different things.
>Having a right and having a PRIVILEGE are two different things. I've never
>seen putting up a repeater listed in the Bill of Rights (Neither is freedom
>of expression, but that's another story). Remember that amateur radio is
>a privilege granted you, not a right. CB is a right :-) Hams have the
>privilege of being able to erect a repeater, but also carry the burden of
>not interfering with other hams and pre-existing repeaters.
I don't see anything in part 97 about a pre-existing repeater having any
special priviledges over a new one. A non-coordinated repeater will have
primary (not total) responsability for eliminating interference with a
coordinated one, but other than that, one station does not have priority
over another. (And if you can get your new repeater coordinated as well...)
All hams have the responsability to avoid interference with each other through
cooperation. It's not a one sided deal.
> That part of the
>privilege/responsibility pair seems to get lost all the time....
And saying "I was here first" does not nullify that responsibility!
-Brian Suggs
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Date: 17 Sep 94 19:11:18 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: FT4700 - cross repeater?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Anybodey knows if the FT-4700 from Yaesu can operate as a cross band
repeater? If so, please mail me at:
4z9dge@haifa.ampr.org
Please send personal mail, since I'm not subscribed to this mailing list.
Thanks, 73,
Arik 4Z9DGE
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 10:46:03 -0800
From: cronkite.cisco.com!sdarragh-mac.cisco.com!user@decwrl.dec.com
Subject: IF YOU ARE WAITING YOUR LICENSE PLEASE READ!
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Folks,
I live in California and passed my tech no code on August 8th. My license
was granted on September 9th. One month and a day! I have yet to receive
it in the mail however, I expect within the next week. The FCC really
looks like (for the lack of a better phrase) they have gotten their shit
together. Hats off to the expedient fashion they have granted my license.
Scott
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Scott R. Darragh (KE6MGW) On Planet Reebok, you punish their
3535 Garrett Dr rusher, stick the receivers,
Sant Clara, Ca 95054 intimidate their quarterback, and
(408)-526-7173 walk off the field with the
cheerleaders.
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 94 15:43:27 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!trib.apple.com!amd!netcomsv!skyld!jangus@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Need help for a fello ham
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In article <358k1d$fn3@odin.community.net> micah@solano.community.net writes:
> I am looking on the behalf of a fellow amature and friend of mine
> a pict gif or jpeg, (or what ever) of the head or face of the pinck
> panther, the cartoon one thats is on Tv. Irean kk6xa or kk6xb (one is her
> husband) is building a rc controled air plane and she is painting it pink
> and calling it the "Pink Panther" and think it tould be cuite to have its
> face on the tail.
>
> Please send me the picture to me via e-mail (please no uuencoded
> ones) or mail her the picture directly to her, you can find her address
> in the call book.
>
> -Micah-
Try over on alt.binaries.pictures.cartoons and a.b.p.erotica.cartoons if
you would like a "different" view of the Pink Panther.
Amateur: WA6FWI@WA6FWI.#SOCA.CA.USA.NOAM | "You have a flair for adding
Internet: jangus@skyld.grendel.com | a fanciful dimension to any
US Mail: PO Box 4425 Carson, CA 90749 | story."
Phone: 1 (310) 324-6080 | Peking Noodle Co.
Hate "Green Card Lottery"? Want to help curb ignorant crossposting on Usenet?
E-mail ckeroack@hamp.hampshire.edu for more information, or read news.groups.
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 16:05:57 GMT
From: zib-berlin.de!math.fu-berlin.de!zobkiw.datawatch.com!user@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Newbie Looking For Handheld/Base
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
As someone who is seriously thinking of going for his no-code license to
start, I've been looking at different rigs. I live in an apartment and
can't really put up a 20ft antenna in our yard. I'd be best off getting a
mobile-type unit that I can use in the house, with some simple "inside"
antenna. Or, maybe a handheld like the Kenwood TH-79...
My questions are, what is the best thing to get for my purposes? And, how
far can I communicate with something like the TH-79? I'd like to be able
to talk to people a little farther than the pool at our complex :)
Another question...is it possible for me to pick my own call-letters? My
father used to be a HAM (he's been gone for some years) and I would love
to take up his old call-letters...sort of as a tribute.
Thanks in advance! Email is appreciated.
<joe>
_______________________________________________________ ,,,
Joe Zobkiw zobkiw@datawatch.com - -
Senior Software Engineer Datawatch Corporation L
___________ Zeros and Ones will take us there __________ _
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 14:39:14 GMT
From: ucsnews!newshub.sdsu.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!rosebud.sdsc.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!redstone.interpath.net!ddsw1!news.@ihnp4.ucsd.edu
Subject: New FCC 1-800 tel #
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Looks like the FCC finally has installed a toll-free telephone
number ..... I haven't personally confirmed this, but here is
a message picked up off of Packet radio earlier today (9/16):
=============================================================
Date: 15 Sep 94 17:17
Message #: 15993
BID: <41302_WA4IMZ>
From: KB5ZRV@WA4IMZ
To: ALL@ALLUS
Subject: FCC 800 Number
WB0TAX!F6CNB!F6CNB!WA4IMZ
-------------------------------------------------------------
From: KB5ZRV@WA4IMZ.#SETX.TX.USA.NA
To : ALL@USA
I called the FCC today and was pleasantly surprised when given their new
toll free 800 number.
The new number for FCC Consumer Assistance is 1-800-322-1117
With their new computer that is supposed to speed up application
processing and their new 800 number they are quickly becomming a
class act.
73's de Bruce KB5ZRV
=============================================================
Cheers de Sandy
WA6BXH
slay@netcom.com
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Date: 18 Sep 94 01:33:43 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: Newsline
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
>Does anyone know how to get in touch with the folks in Pasadena who put
>together Newsline? I'd prefer to get in touch with them via internet.
> --Steve
>== Steven C. Zinski - N9VAH == szinski@prairienet.org ==
Bill Pasternak (editor)
b.pasternak@genie.geis.com
westradio@mcimail.com
there are newsline discussion groups there too. M345;1 to get the Radio and
Electronics RT Bulletin Board, i think it's CATegory 8.
Burt Hicks (i think, i don't remember)
westlink@mcimail.com
i think that's right....not in a position to go check MCI right now.
73, bill wb9ivr%pubs%genav.mlb@ns14.cca.cr.rockwell.com
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Date: 16 Sep 1994 20:33:27 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!csn!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!prairienet.org!szinski@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: NEWSLINE VIA INTERNET
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
I have a proposal for helping get NewsLine out to the various groups and
nets.
My proposal is simple: Take the NewsLine audio, digitize it into a
computer (e.g., SoundBlaster), compress the file, and make it available
on the Internet via anonymous FTP site.
A 15-minute recording at 7,000 samples/second (telephone quality) would be
roughly 6.3MB in size. This would probably compress to under 5MB which
would be a relatively small file for someone directly on the Internet. To
download 5MB at 14.4Kbps would take about an hour
My question is simple: If I were to undertake such a project, would it be
of service to anyone? I know that our weekly net has to pay to call
long-distance to retrieve Newsline via landline.
--Steve
--
=================================================================
== Steven C. Zinski - N9VAH == szinski@prairienet.org ==
== Champaign, Illinois, USA == N9VAH@N9LNQ.#ECIL.IL.USA.NA ==
=================================================================
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 02:45:19 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ennews!stat!david@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: PRB-1 IGNORED!!!
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
From: au831@freenet.buffalo.edu (James B. Laughlan Jr)
Subject: PRB-1 IGNORED!!!
Message-ID: <Cw7BnK.Gs2@freenet.buffalo.edu>
Organization: Buffalo Free-Net
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 02:45:19 GMT
On Monday September 12, the town board of Lewiston, N.Y., a small town
north of Niagara Falls, passed a tower limitation law stating that
any attatched, or freestanding tower erected may not exceed 35 feet in
height and is limited to one tower per acre. But hams are given the
priveledge of having two towers every 20,000 square feet. Several hams
including Jim Laughlan N2ETE (yours truly), Brandy Scrufari WB2DNQ,
Don Burrows KO2J Communications officer for the Niagara County R.A.C.E.S.
attended the public hearing and stated to the board the existance of
FCC document PRB-1 which gives amateur radio stations a complete and
total exemption from any tower law. They also stated that the ruling
has been successfully defended in both state and federal courts. The
response from Councilman Michael Curtis was "ask us for an amendment,
don't sue us". Town attroney Edward Jeand that PRB-1 needed to be looked at closer to see if he could recommend
the amendment. The board also stated that there was no intention to
restrict hams at all and there needed to be a law on the books to protect
the town after a recent 3 year battle with a local radio station WTOR
which at first proposed to the town to place 3 AM radio towers along
Langdon Road in the Town of Lewiston. There was a long battle only to
have it settled in N.Y.S. Supreme Court in favor of the radio station,
which plans to run 5000 watts directed into Canada after the Canadian
D.O.C. denied him a license. As of this time, Attorney for the town
Edward Jesella is reviewing PRB-1 to see if any changes could be necessary.
If you wish to copy this to send to any Ham Magazine, ARRL, or FCC, you
have my total blessing and permission. Anyone who wishes to leave any
advise or messages, may e-mail me at this address.
GOOD LUCK AND GOOD DX 73'S
JIM LAUGHLAN N2ETE
"Don't do anything that I would do!!"
J. Laughlan 10-83
--
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Date: 17 Sep 1994 10:08:15 -0700
From: nntp.crl.com!crl4.crl.com!not-for-mail@decwrl.dec.com
Subject: Radio History
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In article <9409162120.AA09659@metro.mccneb.edu.mccneb.edu>,
pmarsh@metro.mccneb.EDU (Paul Marsh) wrote:
> I'm looking for internet resources that describe the history of radio --
> technological development, inventions, inventors, etc.
Paul -
You might consider asking your question in rec.radio.broadcasting as
well. Some of the visitors there might be able to help.
Also, there is a new mailing list for old time radio -programming-;
there is a chance some of the subscribers might have some pointers to
further data.
To subscribe, send email
To: otr-request@airwaves.chi.il.us
Subject: SUBSCRIBE
There is an experimental WWW page as well as a readonly anonymous ftp
directory for the OTR group (I don't know how well the WWW page
works). They contain a bibliography on the history of radio
programming.
Try the following:
For WWW, ftp://ftp.crl.com//users/ro/lgenco/otr.html
anonymous ftp to: ftp.crl.com, directory: users/ro/lgenco
Finally, there is a proposed rec.antiques.radio+phono making its way
through the approval process. Check with Bill Robie
<robie@umbc7.umbc.edu> for more info on that newsgroup.
If you learn of any other sources, I'd appreciate a note!
Lou
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Internet: lgenco@crl.com Lou.Genco@LChance.sat.tx.us
Ham Radio Packet: N5SGL @ K3WGF.#SAT.TX.USA tcp/ip: n5sgl@sat.ampr.org
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 16:13:39 GMT
From: zib-berlin.de!math.fu-berlin.de!zobkiw.datawatch.com!user@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Raleigh, NC Hams (?)
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Any Hams or groups in this area? Thanks!
_______________________________________________________ ,,,
Joe Zobkiw zobkiw@datawatch.com - -
Senior Software Engineer Datawatch Corporation L
___________ Zeros and Ones will take us there __________ _
------------------------------
Date: 17 Sep 94 21:53:58 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: SAREX Keps 9/17 at 21:30 UTC
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
SB SAREX @ AMSAT $STS-64.023
SAREX Keps 9/17 21:30 UTC
Silver Spring, MD September 17, 1994 at 21:30 UTC
The following represents the latest Keplerian Elements as generated by
Ron Parise, WA4SIR, at the Goddard Space Flight Center and modified
to improve the drag term by Gil Carman, WA5NOM, at the Johnson Space Center.
STS-64
1 23251U 94059A 94260.27204451 0.00095812 10877-4 11525-3 0 301
2 23251 57.0074 189.9783 0009419 284.3462 75.6578 16.12282233 1194
Satellite: STS-64
Catalog number: 23251
Epoch time: 94260.27204451 (17 SEP 94 06:31:44.65 UTC)
Element set: GSFC-30a
Inclination: 57.0074 deg
RA of node: 189.9783 deg Space Shuttle Flight STS-64
Eccentricity: 0.0009419 Keplerian Elements
Arg of perigee: 284.3462 deg
Mean anomaly: 75.6578 deg
Mean motion: 16.12282233 rev/day Semi-major Axis: 6618.7222 Km
Decay rate: 9.5812E-04 rev/day*2 Apogee Alt: 246.57 Km
Epoch rev: 119 Perigee Alt: 234.10 Km
Checksum: 305
NOTE - This element set is based on NORAD element set # 030.
The spacecraft has been propagated to the next ascending
node, and the orbit number has been adjusted to bring it
into agreement with the NASA numbering convention.
Submitted by Frank H. Bauer, KA3HDO, for the SAREX Working Group
/EX
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Date: 17 Sep 94 23:24:48 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: SAREX Packet Now Active
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
SB SAREX @ AMSAT $STS-64.024
SAREX Packet Now Active
Contrary to yesterday's bulletin regarding packet ops, the SAREX team and the
STS-64 Astronauts have been given the go ahead to activate the packet system.
SAREX packet is expected to be active from now until SAREX stow (unless the
crew is using the SAREX gear for general voice QSOs). Those wishing to work
the Discovery astronauts in packet mode are encouraged to listen to the
downlink frequency, 145.55 MHz, FIRST before transmitting. Ground based
radio amateurs need to transmit on the packet uplink frequency 144.49 MHz
to have their packet signals heard on the Shuttle. The SAREX packet callsign
is W5RRR-1.
Good luck and enjoy!
Submitted by Frank H. Bauer, KA3HDO for the SAREX Working Group
/EX
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Date: 15 Sep 1994 04:32:18 GMT
From: george.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!compuserve.com!news@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Tech call vs. Tech+ call.
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
As I recall from my upgrade in June, you have to specifically
check the box asking for "systematic reassignment" of your call
sign, and initial next to that box. Presumably to make sure
that no one ever loses a treasured call without asking for
that to happen.
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Date: 18 Sep 94 00:03:34 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: TH-79A: Thanks!
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
I just wanted to thank all of you that took the time to reply to my query
about mods for the '79. It is now happily serving in the MARS service. 73.
Carlk, KK6RV/AAR9GB
SoCal US Army MARS
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Date: 17 Sep 1994 11:06:50 -0400
From: psinntp!JH.Org!not-for-mail@uunet.uu.net
Subject: W&W Mastercharger I
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
I have this charger and it's been working great, but I have 2 questions:
1 Do I still need to worry about NiCad memory with this charger
or does it take care of it?
2 Is there any reason that I can't add some leads and quick
charge other NiCads (such as hi capacity "D" cells or "AA"
cells)?
TIA & 73s
Steve
KB2___
--
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
ss@jh.org Steve Steinberg Amateur Radio Callsign: KB2???
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Date: 16 Sep 1994 14:51:17 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!ucsnews!newshub.sdsu.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!world!news.bu.edu!ppp-83-9.bu.edu!user@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: WTD: 1.2 GHz Repeater
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Posting for a friend, please direct all responses to him.
WANTED:
1.2 GHz Repeater such as an Icom RP-1210 or 1220 in GOOD condition.
Please send details in first response. Contact Gene WA1UXA at:
Days 508-858-4814, Ev-Wknds 603-888-1744 until 9:30 PM eastern time.
Packet: WA1UXA@KA1GOZ.NH
--
I'll be ya huckleberry. - Doc Holiday
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 13:47:07 GMT
From: ucsnews!newshub.sdsu.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!rosebud.sdsc.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!vtc.tacom.army.mil!@@ihnp4.ucsd.edu
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
References <Cw0urM.5E9@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, <358kq4$2fj@linet02.li.net>, <hamilton.779649255@BIX.com>edu
Subject : Re: ZAPPING dead Nicad Packs with my quick charger??
In article <hamilton.779649255@BIX.com>, hamilton@BIX.com (hamilton on BIX) writes:
> jtomason@li.net (Joe Tomasone) writes:
>
> > In article <Cw0urM.5E9@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, cropley@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (andrew peter.cropley) says:
> > >
> > >QUESTION. Can I "ZAP" my pack by leaving on 24 volts for a while??
>
>
> > I would not leave it on for a while. What I would do is give it a shot
> > from a 12V, 20-30 amp power supply for ONE SECOND. That hopefully will
> > bring the cells back in line and they will accept a charge again, albiet
> > fractionally less than they would originally. Of course, if it has been
> > discharged for so long, you may have no choice but to chuck the battery
> > or replace the cells.
>
> Wow! It works! I have a BP-84 that's been dying on me. It had gotten to
> the point (with little warning, matter of fact) where it just would NOT take
> a charge. I had nearly resigned myself to chucking it and buying a new
> one (at the usual, totally exhorbitant price). But I just zapped it for a
> couple seconds (the meter on my Astron surged to about 5A) and bingo! I
> have a working battery, it seems. (I'll know more after a couple cycles,
> obviously, but so far, so good.)
>
Congratulations on restoring your BP-84. It will probably give you
quite a bit more service, but like most things, there's a down side.
Once a battery (actually, probably just 1 or 2 cells in the pack) has
required this treatment, it's more likely to need it in the future.
Expect the self-discharge rate to be higher.
Also after you do this to a pack, charge it at a slow rate at least for
the 1st charge. The reason is you have probably been trying to charge
the pack and most of the cells are fully charged already. If you try
to fast charge the pack the already-charged cells will be seriously
overcharged and may be damaged or the charger may get confused and
refuse to charge. If it switches to a trickle rate, that's OK but I
don't know if all chargers do that. Charging even a fully-charged cell
at the 14-16 hr rate while the rejuvenated cell(s) come up to charge
shouldn't hurt.
Roger Grady K9OPO c21rag@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
Delco Electronics Corp. Kokomo, IN
"All information and opinions are personal unless otherwise stated."
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